, tobin smith, jonas max ferris along with jim la camp and steve murphy, welcome to everybody. jim, growing union clashes with job creators, growing concerns about jobs? >> absolutely. look, every time you make it harder for an employer to hire somebody they're going to hire less people. we're already seeing it in the jobs numbers. look, obamacare has already cost a tremendous amount of jobs and since the president was reelected and it became apparent that obamacare was coming back in, we've seen the layoffs accelerate and now the unions are trying to kick businesses at a time when businesses are hurting and at a time when they're uncertain about labor costs and this is going to take full-time jobs to part-time jobs, and it' going to mean the closing of plants, and factories and already met one right here, with the hostess twinky factory. >> tin that was 18,000 jobs, just forget about it, you look at the auto workers, the steel industry, airlines, you go down the list and unions fits for pensions and benefits, not just pay, have really taken down a lot of companies. >> well, th